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Hey, this is something to think about!

In Chapter 27 of Choke (the disastrous rape sex scene), the girl with the rape fantasy he meets in the bookstore is called Gwen.

And you might remember in Survivor, Fertility Hollis' real name is Gwen.

Now, to me, that seems likely an uncommon name for Chuck to repeat in consecutive books. So I'm wondering if anyone else thinks 'Fertility' has returned for a cameo in Choke?

Choke: "This is a girl named Gwen I met in the recovery section of a bookstore. It's hard to say who picked up whom, but she was pretending to read a twelve-step book about sexual addiction." (Ch.27)

I believe it is the same Gwen as 'Fertility' from Survivor. Since she can dream the future, she would have known where to meet Victor, hence why she is only 'pretending' to read the book.

Anyone agree? :p


Posted September 16th, 2004 by Agonymouse

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[QUOTE=Agonymouse]Hey, this is something to think about!

In Chapter 27 of Choke (the disastrous rape sex scene), the girl with the rape fantasy he meets in the bookstore is called Gwen.

And you might remember in Survivor, Fertility Hollis' real name is Gwen.

Now, to me, that seems likely an uncommon name for Chuck to repeat in consecutive books. So I'm wondering if anyone else thinks 'Fertility' has returned for a cameo in Choke?

Choke: "This is a girl named Gwen I met in the recovery section of a bookstore. It's hard to say who picked up whom, but she was pretending to read a twelve-step book about sexual addiction." (Ch.27)

I believe it is the same Gwen as 'Fertility' from Survivor. Since she can dream the future, she would have known where to meet Victor, hence why she is only 'pretending' to read the book.

Anyone agree? :p[/QUOTE]

This is a cool idea. If I can, I'll ask Chuck about it when I see him read on Monday.

I agree.


Thu, 09/16/2004 - 17:41

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Wahey! Thanks Owen! :D You don't disagree with everything i think then ;)


Thu, 09/16/2004 - 17:48

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[QUOTE=Agonymouse]Wahey! Thanks Owen! :D You don't disagree with everything i think then ;)[/QUOTE]

Nope. Just almost everything. ;)


Thu, 09/16/2004 - 17:50

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That is a really cool.

I was gonna say something about it but I am working so I forgot what I was doing and I am lost in a sea of papers.

Help me please. I'm drowning. Gurg..gurg...gurgle..g.

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Thu, 09/16/2004 - 18:32

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I wish I had a copy of Choke onhand. Ironically it's the first book of Chuck's that I read, but the only one I don't own.


Thu, 09/16/2004 - 19:52

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[QUOTE=owenwarland]I wish I had a copy of Choke onhand. Ironically it's the first book of Chuck's that I read, but the only one I don't own.[/QUOTE]

I just read Choke recently. Like two months ago. It was good and stuff but I was let down a little at the end. I like to think that Chuck did that with forethought. He let you think for a while that there was some spectacular ending with God and Devils and all that cool shit. He just made Vic a regular guy that did some fucked up shit and it all came back to greet him. I respected this story more than I liked. It was still worth the read. The book is pretty though so it should be owned and awwed at from time to time I guess.

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Thu, 09/16/2004 - 19:58

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I love this idea. That had never even occured to me. Wow. If I didn't already have a question that I've been meaning to ask, then I'd overstep Owen and ask for you on Monday. :) After all, I'm much cuter.


Thu, 09/16/2004 - 21:30

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I think he knows someone named Gwen, and that's it.

Or simply recycled the name.


Thu, 09/16/2004 - 21:47

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I totally agree.... except for one thing the descriptions of the two girls do not match one is red head and pale while the other i got the impression was a semi-hefty brenutte


Mon, 09/27/2004 - 15:39

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That is a cool concept, and I'd buy it. I wish I could remember it but there was a character in Diary that had the same name as another character in one of Chuck's books I thought was odd... I wish I could remember.

_Max


Mon, 09/27/2004 - 23:30

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So..did anyone ask in the end? :confused: Med, are you thinking of Angel Delaporte and Angel Face?


Fri, 12/03/2004 - 01:53

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Gwen is a girl that he had a crush on in highschool or something. My girlfriend and I were at a reading of his a while back and he told her a story about how he was kind of upset about how it went.


Sat, 12/04/2004 - 04:33

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I always liked this concept, of writers bring back characters in books and movies, as an inside refrence for all of their loyal fans.

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Thu, 12/09/2004 - 06:15

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Gwen?

I believe the Gwen that Chuck is writting about is Choke is Gwen Stefani and he's using the scene as a means to act out his personal obsession for the singer/song writter. Come on...who doesn't like the little blonde twig girl...she's cute...


Wed, 12/22/2004 - 22:21

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[QUOTE=Patriot in the sh%t]I believe the Gwen that Chuck is writting about is Choke is Gwen Stefani and he's using the scene as a means to act out his personal obsession for the singer/song writter. Come on...who doesn't like the little blonde twig girl...she's cute...[/QUOTE]
i like this guys idea

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Thu, 12/23/2004 - 00:58

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I thought that rape scene was the funniest part of the book.


Thu, 12/30/2004 - 21:28

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I would like to believe that [I]Gwen[/I] was the same character in both books...connecting the two together somehow.


Tue, 03/15/2005 - 18:36

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So did Owen ever actually ask Chuck? Now I want to know.


Tue, 03/15/2005 - 18:59

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I really doubt the Gwen in Choke is connected in any way to Fertility Hollis.


Wed, 06/22/2005 - 03:13

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I know this is a really old post, and i'm sure none of these people are even active anymore, but oh well, it interested me.

I don't at all think this is the same girl. For one reason, Fertility and Tender end up together at the end so unless she was sexually unpleased with him (which might be understandable at first) why would she have "sex" with someone else? Plus, if she knew everything, why would she let him make such a mess all over her wall and drapes and bed spread?
I think she was pretending to read because she was obviously a sex addict too, and was hoping to hook up with someone. I don't think she was reading "self-help" because she didn't want to change. Or like Victor, took the first few steps in recovory but hasn't tried very hard to finish.

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Mon, 12/24/2007 - 04:21

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Re: Gwen..

 Well I was reading Invisible Monsters and on roughly somewhere around page 100, when the main character is watching TV late at night, and she's flipping through channels, there's a person named Gwen on one channel and she was on what seemed like a talk show and it said she had red hair and worked as a hooker... And if I remember correctly, at least once in Survivor Gwen/Fertility was referred to as a hooker. Consider it was basically what she was.

 

I just thought it was a tad of a coincidence that a character named Gwen with red hair that was a "hooker" showed up in 2 of his books released in the same year.

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