US unveils new driver's license rules
01/11/08 WASHINGTON - Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years under ambitious post-9/11 security rules to be unveiled Friday by federal officials. The Homeland Security Department has spent years crafting the final regulations for the REAL ID Act, a law designed to make it harder for terrorists, illegal immigrants and con artists to get government-issued identification. The effort once envisioned to take effect in 2008 has been pushed back in the hopes of winning over skeptical state officials. Even with more time, more federal help and technical advances, REAL ID still faces stiff opposition from civil liberties groups. To address some of those concerns, the government now plans to phase in a secure ID initiative that Congress passed into law in 2005. Now, DHS plans a key deadline in 2011 — when federal authorities hope all states will be in compliance — and then further measures to be enacted three years later, according to congressional staffers who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because an announcement had not yet been made. DHS officials briefed legislative aides on the details late Thursday. Without discussing details, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff promoted the final rules for REAL ID during a meeting Thursday with an advisory council. "We worked very closely with the states in terms of developing a plan that I think will be inexpensive, reasonable to implement and produce the results," he said. "This is a win-win. As long as people use driver's licenses to identify themselves for whatever reason there's no reason for those licenses to be easily counterfeited or tampered with." In order to make the plan more appealing to cost-conscious states, federal authorities drastically reduced the expected cost from $14.6 billion to $3.9 billion, a 73 percent decline, according to Homeland Security officials familiar with the plan. The American Civil Liberties Union has fiercely objected to the effort, particularly the sharing of personal data among government agencies. The DHS and other officials say the only way to make sure an ID is safe is to check it against secure government data; critics like the ACLU say that creates a system that is more likely to be infiltrated and have its personal data pilfered. In its written objection to the law, the ACLU claims REAL ID amounts to the "first-ever national identity card system," which "would irreparably damage the fabric of American life." The Sept. 11 attacks were the main motivation for the changes. The hijacker-pilot who flew into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, had a total of four driver's licenses and ID cards from three states. The DHS, which was created in response to the attacks, has created a slogan for REAL ID: "One driver, one license." By 2014, anyone seeking to board an airplane or enter a federal building would have to present a REAL ID-compliant driver's license, with the notable exception of those more than 50 years old, Homeland Security officials said. The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane. Among other details of the REAL ID plan: _The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that should someone be rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked in the future if that person attempted to con the system again. _The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards. Over the next year, the government expects all states to begin checking both the Social Security numbers and immigration status of license applicants. Most states currently check Social Security numbers and about half check immigration status. Some, like New York, Virginia, North Carolina and California, already have implemented many of the security measures envisioned in REAL ID. In California, for example, officials expect the only major change to adopt the first phase would be to take the photograph at the beginning of the application process instead of the end. After the Social Security and immigration status checks become nationwide practice, officials plan to move on to more expansive security checks, including state DMV offices checking with the State Department to verify those applicants who use passports to get a driver's license, verifying birth certificates and checking with other states to ensure an applicant doesn't have more than one license. A handful of states have already signed written agreements indicating plans to comply with REAL ID. Seventeen others, though, have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to it, often based on concerns about the billions of dollars such extra security is expected to cost.
Not to be a downer, but I am a journalist in DC and basically this is already happening. It isn't about collecting your files when they want them, it is move like the pull them off the "electronic shelf" so to speak. Just wait until your thumb print is associated with the card so that they can track you going in and out of the country like they do when people come over here to visit.
I don't wanna stand in no line at the DMV for some new card. I'm also sure the govt has been keeping track of us all for some time. But now things are being set in motions for that 'brave new world', of which they can shove up their collective arses! Screw ID cards, why not put chips and/or bar codes in/on us? I'm sure loads of sheep will stand in line for their tagging. Sad really. I think I wanna go live in Demark. I hear it's the happiest place in the world to live (so say's some dude on 20/20). :-P
I didn't read all that but do they say what it so different between this card and i regular driver's liscense that will make it "more secure?"
If crooks are figuring a way now how to get past all the holograms and double photos of a state driver's liscense it'll just be a matter of months before they figure a way to get past anything the federal government can come up with.
muss es sein? es muss sein!

This is something I've occasionally ranted about on here. This act was passed a few years ago, surprisingly going unanimously through the senate. Now Senator Sununu, of NH, from what I understand, is fighting to repeal it, I dont know if any others have spoken against their own vote. This is the National ID, as much as Chertoff tries to deny it. A few states have already passed bills saying they will not participate, NH being one of them. For those considering jumping the border, might I suggest joing the Free State Project - a liberty-oriented movement of people to NH to preserve limited gov't.
Proposals attached with this bill - microchipping to include criminal records, gun registration, fingerprints, other biometric proofing (DNA and Iris scans have been discussed), GPS chips for tracking, etc. You'd need this card to enter a federal building and fly on a plane for now. It has been suggested that one would use this card for all money transfer functions, to include bank accounts, credit cards, etc, like some cell phones they're coming out with in Japan.
There was a documentary made about movement of corporate controlled government called, "America: Freedom to Fascism", which I'm always pimping, you can watch it for free on google video. It's about the income tax, federal reserve, IRS, Nat'l ID, and rise of corporate controlled gov't. Remember that fleeing to other countries to avoid fascism here isn't always the best idea, Canadians have far less civil rights, do not have control of thier own medical care, self defense, etc. Britain, well, Spike reently posted an article about the garb going on over there. Eventually, it'll come down to a fight if we keep running. Anyways, the liberty movement's meeting in NH, if anyone's interested.
When did the future switch from being a promise to being a threat?
I didn't read all that but do they say what it so different between this card and i regular driver's liscense that will make it "more secure?"
If crooks are figuring a way now how to get past all the holograms and double photos of a state driver's liscense it'll just be a matter of months before they figure a way to get past anything the federal government can come up with.
I did read the whole article, and the funny thing is that it doesn't ever really answer your question. After reading the article, I didn't really feel that any drastic changes were being made to the system. Maybe they aren't mentioned to downplay the seriousness of the change, but I haven't read anything else on the matter so I have no idea. I will say, though, that I finally went and got my Oregon driver's license recently and found out that they no longer issue licenses on the spot. Apparently one place in OR handles all driver's license applications, and they mail your card to you if you pass their tests (whatever those tests may be). For about two weeks I had to walk around with a temporary paper driver's license. However, the license itself doesn't look different from any other state license/ID that I've seen in the past.
slowly but surely it is happening. leave while you still have the chance.
when the shit goes down, where are you gonna be...
(its probably not gonna be as bad as i think it will be but paranoia is fun!)
It's not paranoia. It's the truth, as much as we don't want to believe it. "It can't happen here" is the official motto of every place there's a genocide. The only thing we don't have that authoritarian countries have is the destruction of right to bear arms. We must NEVER give that up.
When did the future switch from being a promise to being a threat?






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